TN3270 connection pooling

[Yves_S]

Hi,

I've played a little with SI and I've been able to connect to our mainframe
(and run CICS transactions) through a TN3270 connection. I connect directly
to the mainframe from a .Net WinForm application. Our CICS transactions are
conversational, I can't use TI.

But when I read the HIS license, it looks like we would need a biztalk
license for each desktop where the WinForm application is deployed since it
uses the Session Integrator component. So we would need about 100 licenses
(!!!).

Of course I can make a webservice which would connect to mainframe but that
would add a lot of latency, logging on the mainframe takes from 1sec to up to
3.5sec. "Stateful" web services are discouraged here, our nlb could send the
request to another server.

So what are my options here? The application we would migrate to HIS uses
the CICS transactions interactively (edit and go to next record, etc).

Thanks, have a nice day.

[Neil Pike]

Hi Yves,

I'm no licensing guru (not on HIS anyway), and most likely the MS folks that
swing by here, who are techies, will say the same. I know MS have, in the past,
done custom licensing deals for HIS (for just such reasons), so if you have an
MS Account Manager, PAM, Sales contact etc. etc. go via them to discuss.

Another idea would be to run the application via terminal services/citrix. Not
sure what effect that has on the t's and c's of the licensing, but it is then
just the one (or two for resilience) "devices" that has HIS/SI installed. I'd
check this with MS licensing folks first.

If you don't have an MS contact and buy your licenses through an MS partner,
get them to check for you. A decent one will look to minimise your licensing
outlay whilst still firmly staying within the letter of the license.

Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd
http://www.linkedin.com/in/neilpike

Post by Yves_S
Hi,
I've played a little with SI and I've been able to connect to our mainframe
(and run CICS transactions) through a TN3270 connection. I connect directly
to the mainframe from a .Net WinForm application. Our CICS transactions are
conversational, I can't use TI.
But when I read the HIS license, it looks like we would need a biztalk
license for each desktop where the WinForm application is deployed since it
uses the Session Integrator component. So we would need about 100 licenses
(!!!).
Of course I can make a webservice which would connect to mainframe but that
would add a lot of latency, logging on the mainframe takes from 1sec to up to
3.5sec. "Stateful" web services are discouraged here, our nlb could send the
request to another server.
So what are my options here? The application we would migrate to HIS uses
the CICS transactions interactively (edit and go to next record, etc).
Thanks, have a nice day.

[Yves_S]

Thanks Neil, I'll ask our MS contact and see if we can have a custom
licensing deal. We have a lot of MS products here (installed on a lot of
servers), including Biztalk servers in cluster(s). I'm pretty confident our
contact could do something for us.

Thanks for the answer, I'll keep you informed of the outcome.

Yves

Post by Neil Pike
Hi Yves,
I'm no licensing guru (not on HIS anyway), and most likely the MS folks that
swing by here, who are techies, will say the same. I know MS have, in the past,
done custom licensing deals for HIS (for just such reasons), so if you have an
MS Account Manager, PAM, Sales contact etc. etc. go via them to discuss.
Another idea would be to run the application via terminal services/citrix. Not
sure what effect that has on the t's and c's of the licensing, but it is then
just the one (or two for resilience) "devices" that has HIS/SI installed. I'd
check this with MS licensing folks first.
If you don't have an MS contact and buy your licenses through an MS partner,
get them to check for you. A decent one will look to minimise your licensing
outlay whilst still firmly staying within the letter of the license.
Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd
http://www.linkedin.com/in/neilpike

Post by Yves_S
Hi,
I've played a little with SI and I've been able to connect to our mainframe
(and run CICS transactions) through a TN3270 connection. I connect directly
to the mainframe from a .Net WinForm application. Our CICS transactions are
conversational, I can't use TI.
But when I read the HIS license, it looks like we would need a biztalk
license for each desktop where the WinForm application is deployed since it
uses the Session Integrator component. So we would need about 100 licenses
(!!!).
Of course I can make a webservice which would connect to mainframe but that
would add a lot of latency, logging on the mainframe takes from 1sec to up to
3.5sec. "Stateful" web services are discouraged here, our nlb could send the
request to another server.
So what are my options here? The application we would migrate to HIS uses
the CICS transactions interactively (edit and go to next record, etc).
Thanks, have a nice day.

.

[Neil Pike]

No problem Yves, will be interested in the outcome.

Post by Yves_S
Thanks Neil, I'll ask our MS contact and see if we can have a custom
licensing deal. We have a lot of MS products here (installed on a lot of
servers), including Biztalk servers in cluster(s). I'm pretty confident our
contact could do something for us.
Thanks for the answer, I'll keep you informed of the outcome.
Yves

Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd
http://www.linkedin.com/in/neilpike